Only allowing yourself to buy "cheaper" dolls?

How do you feel about people who restrict themselves to only buying "cheap"dolls.
Never occured to me to think about it. I always thought everybody bought the dolls they liked.
Depends what your objective is when it comes to this hobby.
To build a collection of any kind takes sometimes many years and careful planning.
For me the most important is what people do with their dolls! I'm thrilled to see the creativity and imagination at work!
And I rather save money for the dream doll.

 

Do you know how much it costs to produce one of these dolls from personal experience? How much is the time of the person sculpting and painting a mold worth let alone the costs of casting, packaging, etc.

Japanese salaries ARE commiserate with salaries in the US and Europe and in some cases might be BETTER. Japan IS a first world country. I would not be surprised to learn Korean salaries are not so far off from US/European salaries either.

And it depends on the designer clothing you are buying. Some brands are more expensive because of where they are produced and the crafting involved and not just because of the name stitched in the label.

 

Boots - It's not depend on what is CHEAP or what is EXPENSIVE...

It depend on 'what the people want to get or what people can afford or can enjoyable with it more than another one.'
People can choose what are suitable for them.

And I don't think that people who will get what thier love are 'spoiled brats'.
I know that its only your example

but I want to tell you
please don't judge other people with only your own vision.

 

To each their own, really. But, myself, I wouldn't do this.

I think of it this way -- if I get a Bobobie today, sure, I'll have a BJD, and I won't have to spend months here on DoA as a doll-less member. But it won't really make me happy, as that's not the doll I like. My heart's set on an Elfdoll Emma, and getting that Bobobie won't make me want Emma any less. And what's the point of putting myself 200$ FARTHER away from the doll I want? If I happened to fall for Charisma or Ophelia, then, by all means, I'll save up and get her! But I'd never get a doll I "like", when there's one out there I love and really want.

 

Yesterday I read a story on this board about a girl whom it took six (!) years before she had enough money saved up to buy her $600 doll. That's not spoiled behaviour, that's determination. And she's not the only one. This board is filled with people willing to wait a long time before they can hold the doll they want in their hands, because they think it's worth it. (once again, I'm also talking about people who have their hart set on a BBB or an AoD)
Like Lizzard said, a spoiled person wouldn't have done that. She'd wanted instant gratification.

Dolls are absolútely worth that money. Ever since I make my own dolls I've realized this.
The average time to sculpt an entire sd-sized doll -with joints and all the works- is one year. Some need two, some a little less. (I'm talking about professionals as well)
Making the molds for that doll will cost you around $400, if you make no mistakes. After every 15 casts you have to make new molds. The price of resin per casted doll is $30 if, once again, everything goes okay the first time.
You'll also need a pressure pot or vacuum chamber to make sure your cast will not have bubbles. And even though you can get a small pot for about $200, you'll want a bigger one so you can speed up your workflow. And you'll need packaging to ship your doll.

So if you want to sell your doll for $500 you'll have to put $150 aside for the materials and to have some savings just in case. That leaves you $350. Now look at how much time it took you to sculpt that particular doll, to mold and cast it ánd to deal with your customers and you'll see that your hourly wages are a joke. So actually, I doubt that these dolls will become much cheaper, unless all of the companies will be situated in countries where the wages are lower and even then I think that $2-300 is the absolute minimum for most.

Of course, some of the dolls in the secondhand marketplace dó have an insane pricetag, but this is simply because that doll was limited and extremely popular. You can't blame the maker for those prices, I think.

 

Boots, thank you for posting this.

It doesn't matter what my income was - I could never spend $1000 on a doll, because no matter how beautiful it is, it is a non-essential plastic luxury good to play with. FOR ME, it would never be worth it and I wouldn't personally feel comfortable with it. I can look at, say, the Soom monthlies, and think they are gorgeous, without feeling any need to own them - I feel far more real desire and wantwantwant for a less expensive but beautiful doll I can customise and make my own without the burden of extravagance guilt attached. (Resinsoul Lu!) And even then, I've decided to restrict myself to one a year.

My wife pointed out that we could easily buy a $1,000 doll, but we'd probably end up hating it. It would just sit there being two tickets to visit my family in Australia, for example. And I really don't think that comparing a plastic doll produced in a factory to a unique and irreplaceable work of art by Picasso is valid, even if they do take considerably more time to produce than a Bratz doll. In a way, these dolls are more like blank canvasses, anyway.

I'm not judging people who prefer the more expensive dolls; I'm just trying (again!) to explain that the reasons some of us do and always will, regardless of income, choose dolls from the lower end of the price spectrum, can be more complex than the reasons assumed by other collectors. And I don't think it's compromise, necessarily; for me it is always about being a responsible adult with a multifaceted life which is not merely about being a doll collector, and making mature choices about my finances - while getting a doll I adore. Win/win.

 

You're quoting what it would cost you or me to make our own doll - and the amount of time it would take us. I was talking about the companies. Huge difference there.... How much do you think it would cost you to make a simple Barbie? Probably a whole lot more than you can get them for in the shops, don't you think?

And I didn't say that everyone here was spoiled, did I? People that e.g. say that if you really want an expensive doll - you can get it - those are the spoiled ones. They say that all you have to do is save up for it; but they don't realise the facts of life for a lot of other people - that's why I call them spoiled. Even if people saved for years - and then finally had the money needed - there would most likely be other stuff that would be needed more - so they'll never get that expensive doll. Lots of these people realises that themselves and buy a cheaper doll. Not because they like the mold better or whatever; but because they cannot afford to pay extra to get a certain brand that is more popular...

My point is - there are people that are willing to pay for the air that everyone else gets for free if someone tells them that this particular air is better or if they're told that this particular air is limited for only a few... ;o) I'm not willing to pay extra to get something that someone tells me are special. I don't need special. If I want special I can use sandpaper or a knife and make my doll into an ooak. That is what my upbringing taught me. As I said earlier on - we do what we can with what we have. And even though some people thinks that it's not possible to live without a certain doll I can assure you that it's perfectly possible to 'settle' with less if you have to. I think it would be nice if more people learned that. It would make the world a better place if people would settle for less.

I would like to add this to someone that asked me to not judge people. I absolutely don't judge any people for anything. I'm just trying to explain to people that there are more between sky and earth than they think. It's like some people think that people like me must be sad and unhappy because we cannot afford those expensive dolls (and they tell us that it's just a question of priority); but we're not - actually I think that we're lucky compared to them; because we don't need to spend thousands of dollars in order to get a doll that we can bond with - we bond with the doll we can get instead. Haven't you ever seen a little african tribe boy run around naked with a piece of wood - having the time of his life?

It's not judging to say that it all has to do with our upbringing - and it's no excuse either; because if you want to change, you can.

 

So because I chose to spend $650 on a doll I really wanted when I saved specifically for that while paying my bills and buying things I needed I'm spoiled and should have just settled for one that was only $200 whether I liked it or not because I could have bonded with it if I really wanted to? Sorry, that might work for you, but I'm not going to settle just because I want a doll and I can afford this cheap one right now. I will save for the one I want even if it is more expensive. I don't buy for the brand name either. I do have a Volks, but I also have a Dollzone body and a Nabi Kiss. I bought them because I like the doll and felt that they were worth the prices I was being asked to pay. To me they are worth the money. I'm not saying you personally aren't happy with the way you've chosen to do it, but I'm also happy with the dolls I worked to get while realizing the facts of life.

As a note, yes the companies making dolls do have a different list cost because they can use the same equipment for many dolls, they make more in a shorter time, and they probably get a discount on the materials buying bulk, BUT they have employees to pay and work space to rent and in some cases stores to run. That adds to the price as well. If everyone was only paid what the item cost to make then no one would ever have money. We wouldn't be paid for the work we put into it. What about the cost of a book? People pay $30 for a hardcover book that costs nowhere near that much to make because they have more than just materials to factor into the end price and they have to make a profit or there is no reason at all to keep making it at all.

According to what you've said however we shouldn't even settle for the $200 because there's still things we need more. Also if you're going to bring in the African boy with the piece of wood then shouldn't a Barbie with joints make you just as happy? Perhaps we just aren't trying hard enough to be satisfied.

 

Actually I wás quoting you what it would cost me to cast a doll if I had my own company. (I did the math once for a schoolproject, that's why I could come up with these figures)
Most of these ABJD-companies aren't that big. I'm taking a wild guess here, but I think that a company of 4 people is average.
The difference between a Barbie and an ABJD is that producing Barbies is mostly mechanical work where-as casting ABJD's isn't. This is the reason Barbies can be so cheap; it takes absolutely no time to produce one. BJD's is a whole different story. Just think about how long we have to wait for our doll when we ordered one from the company. That time is needed to produce that doll and to prepare it for shipping.

No you didn't. But what I mean with saving is, saving up money you absolutely don't need for anything else. Like I said before I don't think this hobby should come before your everyday expenses, or anything else you might need more.

I don't think it's impossible to live without a certain doll and I do think that you could settle with less. BUT, I personally realized, after getting a doll I didn't like as much as the one I truly wanted, I considered that doll a waste of money. That money cóuld've been spent on something I liked a whole lot more. See, my upbringing has taught me to only pay for something you think is worth the money, because you can only spend each dollar once.
Don't get me wrong, I can have the time of my life with simply a piece of wood, just like that African boy you mentioned, but I didn't have to pay for it. If I hád to pay for it I'd make sure I get the best piece of wood for the best price. (hey, I'm Dutch. The cliché's are true, we like to get the best things for free ;p)

This is why I sometimes think a $200 doll is definitely worth the money and why I sometimes wouldn't even consider buying it. Same for the expensive dolls. I look at the quality it has and consider if I think that doll is worth my money. And this is why I wouldn't settle with a doll I consider less.

 

You're misunderstanding me - or maybe I didn't explain myself good enough. I'm not going to try to explain again; because I already did it a couple of times. You do not understand me. I'm not saying that you're spoiled at all - try reading what I wrote again.

We all come from different places/backgrounds - that's one of the things I'm trying to say. What works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone else - that's what I'm trying to explain for some people - not you specifically.

Did I say anywhere that the dolls should be sold at their actual manufacturer price? No - I didn't. I said that they were overpriced - and they are. Companies have sales - sometimes they sell the dolls for 50% - yeah even 75% of the normal price - and they STILL earn money on them. It's like anything else that is 'new' on the market (I know that abjd are not new for a lot of people here; but they're still new for a lot of countries - and they'll continue being rare and expensive until they're sold in all countries). You also have to remember that I'm European, so I have to pay even more than you have to pay - and for what? I don't get a better doll than yours - still I have to pay more.

And - finally - to you they're worth the money. They're not to me. So - we come from different backgrounds - that's what I'm trying to say; but you don't seem to understand - and that's the problem here. I'm not generalising; because I realise that we're all different - we all come from different places and have different needs, dreams etc. I'm repeating myself, I think - I'm not settling with a cheaper doll - I simply don't have any needs for more expensive dolls. I don't have to 'try hard' to get satisfied - it doesn't take much for me to be satisfied - and the little african boy needs even less to be satisfied.

No - a Barbie doll wouldn't satisfy me; because that's not what I'm looking for. I used the Barbie as an example of production costs - not as a substitute for a bjd. There's no comparising. In my mind a bjd is more a hobby item - a Barbie is a toy. There also are collector Barbies that costs as much as a bjd, though. Again an example of an item that is made solely to get money out of you - overpriced; but beautiful. Something that some collectors cannot live without. Just like those that constantly sell their dolls and buy new because a new mold is out.... I do not understand them either...

To Silk: You cannot compare a factory in Netherland to a factory in an Asian country - you should know that.
When you say 'saving up money that you absolutely don't need for anything else' you obviously don't realise that not all people can do that. Far from, actually. And that's one of the main problems in this discussion. Some people just don't understand that others are not able to save up money like they are themselves. And they simply don't understand that this isn't about 'settling' at all - yes, for you it is; but not for me. But it's no use continuing; because I don't seem to get through. Then again - this is just my opinion - and we all come from different places and have different opinions.

 

As a buyer of 'cheaper' dolls, let me just roll in the LOL for a minute here and say that price, in my tiny little world of bills and rent and gas for a car that just broke down again, and other living necessities, is a big deal for me. When I first looked at these dolls, far before I found this forum, it was five years ago, my friend was showing me photo's of hers and I began looking them up. At the time I was barely out of high school, heading into a vocational school and was working for only about 25 cents more than what was the standard minimum wage in my US state. The price for a 'cheap' doll was pretty much the same, somewhere between 300 and 500 for a fullset MSD with face up and all its nice stuff. I immediantly went into shut down mode. At that time, NOTHING in my world was going to cost anything near that unless it was a dire emergency. Not my car, not my clothes, not my food. I was making it on the grace of whatever deity watches over me and $145 a week.

Fast-forward to present day, I am in a better living situation, have a slightly better job, am bringing in more money, and now own a ResinSoul doll and am waiting on a Dollzone. Do I feel at all slighted because they aren't a Volks, or Luts, or Soom, or any of the older, more established companies? Absolutly not!

I STILL think that the price for them is rediculously high, and that I probably should have spent the money I spent on them on bills or something. But I worked for the money, waited all this time, did all this research and waiting, and finally, when I had the money in hand, I got to buy one. I feel rather good about it, since I waited so long to be able to bring one home and hold it and have it be mine. Something no one can take away from me because I didn't pay all the money yet. Yes, they're 'cheaper' dolls to some people, but to me? They're rather expensive pieces of enjoyable art that I get to make things for and take pictures of to show to others. I don't consider anything that costs more than 50 dollars US to be 'cheap' by any dramatic stretch of the imagination. I bought them with my tax return, and it will probably be a year before I even think of getting another because I still think 300+ dollars US is mighty expensive for a doll. Take it as you will, but I love them just the same, and if I could trade them for a Volks, Luts or Soom I doubt I would, because I worked hard for the ones I have.

 

Boots, may I ask, what would you do if you suddenly fell in love with a doll that you subsequently discovered was more expensive than the ones you currently own? What if the thing haunted you, and you kept coming back to the photos, it's character asserted itself in your mind, you could see the faceup, wig and eyes you wanted it to have? Would you still deny yourself the pleasure of the object on the basis that you think it's a waste of money?

I'm curious because 99% of the people in the posts I've read in this thread seem to be of the opinion that if you fall for the cheaper doll, good luck to you. You, however, are one of the few who simply don't allow themselves even to consider the alternatives and I'd kinda like to figure out why you seem so angry that other people don't have an issue with buying the doll they wanted regardless of the price.

I'd also like to point out that when doll companies sell their products on 50 or 75% off sales, they're more than likely doing so AT A LOSS, so overall, they are probably making either nothing or a very small profit entirely from the incidental things people buy WITH their half price doll. The idea of "loss leading" products is an old one and its worth remembering that BJD companies are really no different to any other retail outlet in their selling strategies.

 

That's easy to answer. I do not fall in love with pictures.
I'm a responsible grownup that can admire pictures of beautiful dolls; but that doesn't make me want them. It's not a question of denying myself something - but I can see that you wouldn't understand that no matter how much I tried to explain.

Angry? I'm not angry. I don't have any issues whatsoever with people that buy more expensive dolls - I'm just trying to explain to them, that not all people are as priviliged as they are. I know deep down in my bones that they're out of my reach - the expensive dolls - so what's the use even dreaming about them? That's just a waste of time. I know you don't understand that; but again - that's my upbringing - and that's what I've passed on to my children (in some degree).

I can still think that a doll is wonderful - that doesn't mean that I want it. I can also return to pictures of dolls again and again; but I have no urge to own them at all.

I wont discuss the companies; because I don't know much about that side except that their workers are probably paid very little (as that is the norm in those countries). The fact that some companies sell their dolls cheaper in the home country does tell me a lot, though. I'm not naive.

 

Not agreeing with you doesn't mean we don't understand you. I can understand you just fine without thinking you are right.

It's ironic that you say this, because it's exactly what people are trying to drive home to you. You seem to think you are a model of efficiency that never purchases anything redundant or wasteful. You also seem to think that everyone who does not model your precise philosophy is a spoiled brat. Yet you claim that "what works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone else." Practice what you preach!

I somehow doubt that even you practice what you preach in this regard. Perhaps with BJD you do. Fantastic. But when you drag upbringing and spoiled attitudes about the world in an argument, it implies you're discussing more than just dolls. And that's where I smell inconsistency. I imagine if I opened up your closet I'd see plenty of shirts you bought when you already had other shirts you could have been satisfied with instead. When I open your pantry, I bet I see food that you bought when you could have been happy with cheap ramen instead. And you know what? At the end of the day, if your ability to make yourself satisfied with items is so amazing, then you wouldn't be bashing that Barbie so much. You'd have made yourself satisfied with her.

You say there is no comparison between the a BJD and a Barbie, and I do believe that to you there isn't. What you fail to recognize is that to others, there is also no comparison between the more expensive doll with the face they love, and the less expensive one they feel lukewarm about. You've drawn your line in the sand about where the ability to compare items ends; other people will have their lines drawn in different locations. Again, we come back to the "what works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone else" argument that you yourself claim to be making.

This makes little sense as an argument, because it can be said about those who buy $200 dolls as well as those who buy $1000 dolls. It can even be said about those who buy $5 dolls at the supermarket. At the end of the day, this is a hobby involving plastic figures we like to dress in miniature clothing. There will always be other things that are needed more than the doll, no matter the price point. If you're going to throw this argument against me for saving up for a Soom MD, then I can throw it back at you for saving up for something less expensive. As a debate position, this is equivalent to standing in quicksand.

Uh. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that they do this because they feel the new molds are better. People make decisions like this every day, even with things like their careers. It's how people make their lives and the world at large a better place, you know. Not being satisfied with the status quo is not a moral failing. Or are we now to proclaim that every person who sees improvements to be made is, at heart, another spoiled brat?

I don't care what brand of BJD a person owns. But I do care when people make assumptions about owners based on what molds they have chosen for themselves. As I said when I posted before, the negativity goes both ways. I see as much ugliness coming from the owners of less expensive dolls as I do from owners of more expensive dolls. It really isn't about price at all.

You know what? I take it back. Perhaps, as you said so many posts ago, it really is about upbringing.

 

I think in this post alone you have shown pretty clearly that you do indeed have issues with people who buy the more expensive dolls. Implying that those people who don't adhere to your way of thinking are not "responsible grownup's" does also rather show some anger on the subject. At the very least, it was perhaps not the best wording.

Personally, I find it rather sad that you seem to genuinely believe that because something is out of your reach at the present time, you shouldn't dream of one day being able to get there. It costs nothing to dream after all, yet provides inspiration and often the drive to save harder, be it for a doll or for something for your kids/family. Those members with the more expensive dolls are not part of some privileged club from which you are banned, they simply saved up more money. For some this takes years, for some it takes weeks, it's simply a case of wanting something enough to be able to put in the ground work.

As for the companies you have already discussed at some length, there are many MANY threads covering why they sell at a lower price within their home countries, perhaps you should look them up.

 

Actually, I feel that you did. You said;

For me, a hobby is all about getting what you want, otherwise what's the point in being a part of it? Surely the whole point of buying a BJD is getting the doll that you personally prefer? It shouldn't matter to you whether that doll is a $200 or a $2000 doll as long as that doll is the right one for you.

I don't consider myself spoiled if I preferred the $2000 doll to the $200 one. And if I was determined enough to get that $2000 doll I would! Not because I'm spoiled, not because I have money to burn, but because I really want that doll and I will save as hard as I possibly can to make that doll a reality in my collection. How is that spoiled? I don't expect someone else to pay for it, and I don't expect to live the high life while I'm saving either. When I'm saving hard for a doll, I don't go to restaurants, I don't go shopping, I live off basic food and I do things on the cheap just to raise money. How is that the reaction of a spoiled human being?

If you want something enough you will move heaven and earth to get it. If you adore a $200 doll from Bobobie, you will move heaven and earth to get it. Believe it or not, price is a factor for me...I recoil when I find out how much something is...but then I work out that the doll is either worth that much to me or it isn't. If it isn't I just enjoy other people's dolls, if it is, I work my fingers to the bone to get there and afford it. Saving is not an easy task for me, but it is a necessary part of getting the dolls I want.

Clearly you must mistakenly think I am a privileged person because I most definitely am not.

That is a debate in itself, however, Japan and Korea are not third-world countries. Their salaries are very much comparable to salaries in Europe and the US, in Japan especially, the cost of living is very high so workers in Volks would have to bring home a good wage in order to live. Good BJDs are not cheap to produce.

And one of the reasons companies can afford to sell dolls cheaper to their home market is because they don't need to maintain a foreign-language website and employ an English speaking representative for the home market. It is a cheaper enterprise all together to sell your product within your own country in your own language. Part of the cost we bear when buying dolls internationally is the hassle the company faces to market directly to us. Or are you going to pick on the companies now for marketing their expensive luxuries to us in the first place?

 

I think optimistically this is what I feel
but more goes into it then that.

There is nothgin wrong with setting a budget for your hobby. Aswell there's nothing wrong with spendign money on something you want (as long as your being responsible)

Inm y earlier years in this hobby I would never purchase a doll that was expensive, Iwanted more dolls, for less! I wanted torepresent as many of my beloved characters as I could. and that made me happy =3 then my tastes changed and I have fewer, more expensive dolls...

Both are valid ways of enjoying the hobby.

I don't have many other hobbies, and the ones I do don't cost me very much (or any) money. I by no means am wealthy... but I am able ot have nice things becasue I plan my money carefully, I budget, I set goals formyself, and I work hard to get there.

I guess my point is, you can be responsible, and still spend a lot of money. Peoeple do this on clothes and cars and trips all the time... Or other hobbies! (my sister and aunt ride horses... makes dolls look liek penny change sometimes ^__~ *jokesjokes*)

Consider this too, before looknig at someone's volks one-off or unoa, or soom monthly doll... The person who purcahsed that may (or may not as the case may be) have workedtheir fingers to the bone to obtain that doll. The person with 1 bobobie or AoD doll may possibly be VERY privaledged, and jsut spends their money elsewhere. Unless you are clsoe with that person you will never know for sure.

And even if you DO know that your friend next door brigns in more figured then you per year, and has a more expensive doll... That's no reason to resent them. It's their money, not yours.

 

I wrote a long answer but realised that I was only repeating myself, so I deleted it again. I'm not trying to get people to agree with anything - I'm just trying to make them see my point - that even though it's hard to comprehend for some - it's not just a question of saving up for a thing for a lot of people. I know that people that spend $600 on a doll will never agree that they paid overprice or that they would be able to find a cheaper doll that they could bond with or that was just as good. And I wouldn't try to get them to agree either; because I know - by experience - that we're all different - with different backgrounds.

Your answer to me is rather personal - and I don't want to get personal in a discussion - just say that you misunderstood my intentions and my message (which I'm btw not preaching - just explaining). I'm not saying this to avoid discussion; but your answer clearly reflects that you don't understand what I'm trying to explain here in the way that it's intended from my side (maybe because of language issues - or that I'm just poorly at explaining what I mean).

You put negativity into expressions I use even though it's not meant negatively. I don't see 'spoiled brats' as negative - it's just an expression - and there's nothing wrong with spoiling your kids - as long as it's in a positive way.

I wont go into the other stuff you're saying; because - again - you have your experience and I have mine - and they're different, so it wont get us anywhere. People buy new dolls all the time for a number of reasons - not just the one you claim; but also for the reason I mentioned.

I'm not going to continue this discussion; because my points are already in the thread and people can understand or misunderstand them as much as they'd like. I just want to make it clear to everyone that I'm not attacking anyone - and I'm not thinking less about anyone - that owns a more expensive doll than I can afford. I thought that I made that clear already; but seems not. That wasn't my point at all.

 

I'm not spoiled in my family we can barely eat at the end of the mounth but that don't stop me getting the clothes, shoes and the doll I want.(That my mother taught me.) It just takes me a bit longer to save up for than others.
The things I love in life just happens to be a bit expensive (lolita wierd shoes and colors and bleach for my hair and ofc BJD) and money should not stand in the way, but I have my limits I don't think i would spend 2000$ on a doll right now but if I happend to love a cheaper doll and decide to buy it, then my wallet will cry of happiness.

:3

 

I feel like sometimes for me personally I should stick to the cheaper dolls... and for a while I did~!

But After a ton of thought and number crunching I'd made little plans for myself in how to buy Doll A, or B..

And When I started Collecting Dolls my first was a Dollzone Megi, back when They were one of the Cheaper companies, now Kid Delfs are cheaper~! But people would think of them to be of better quality..

I dont really have a prefrence to higher priced being better or Lower being better.. As long as i love em!
it's hard for me personally to save money and Pay for Everything from food to transportation and everything.....
I'm like a lot of people in the community i'd think I work hard and save up.
I save a separate fund from my bills/Expenses... and I buy my dolls 3 even if it takes me 2 months longer.. or 6 months longer.

Granted I am not about to dish out the Money for one of SOOMs Fullset SDs~ but 700 is a lot nicer looking towards a fairly thin wallet compaired to 1756+shipping and stuff ( I dont know if the numbers I plopped down are even close or not but I think Ya know what i mean )~

I'll be happy in getting Whomever is the glittering star to me, 100-800$ Doesnt matter
( and you can usually get a doll a little cheaper in the Second hand market too! )