Thoughts on a guy doll having breasts?

Nope, doesn't bother me one bit. I fully understand why someone would want that. Say someone got a boy doll. Later on they decided that the doll would look better as a girl but don't have the money to go out and get a brandy new body, or they did get a brandy new body but don't like it as much as the old one. So they mod what they got, or choose not to mod because lack of skill. Vice versa for a girl. Some people's dolls have that as their character. Or a certain body just looks or fits better. Plus this is a hobby about dolls, it's all about pretending. If someone wishes to pretend their female doll is a boy, so what? It's not that different than pretending our dolls eat eraser food or sleep. It just gets a little tricky when you've got a girl doll pretending to be a boy dressed in say, a dress... It could get a bit confusing to others.

But I really don't care what someone else does with their dolls.

On another note, I've seen a rather beautiful hermaphrodite doll before and I've kind of wanted to have one myself since.

 

My new kisgendered doll aside...

....the only person I know who has an issue with my wife's and my boy doll is my transphobic sister. She actually despises all men and think that women who "turn into men" are denying some sort of god-given all-divine gift.

What? Really? Bigotry O_o;;; Men aren't horrible and neither are FTM men. And if you're not transgendered or a man, but an actual woman or a biological man, then why does it bother you? You're not changing. And anyway, a doll can't become "trans." A character can, but a modded doll isn't a character, it's a hunk of A+ grade plastic that embodies a character. Plastic was made by man to create things with. And I created a man with my bit of plastic resin

For the record, I personally love genderqueer and trans characters. I'm FTM myself And I do sometimes seem to cater towards these sorts of story-lines. :

At any rate, Jacobi, our resin gentleman, isn't trans. He's male. I know because my wife and I wrote him when we made him up in the story we're writing.

And why would anyone be "mad" at a modded doll? If they knew how satisfying a successful mod is, they wouldn't push the issue...why be mad?

Why say hurtful things about that doll?

I just paid $400 dollars for this doll.

I'm just happy I didn't accidentally saw him in half! LOL! That would suck. I'd have been so sad. But I would have done it again, yup. Why? Because he's my Jacobi and I modded him.

 

Ezekely, that was brilliant!

About the hermaphrodite doll. I've seen them and I love that doll sooooo much!! They inspired me to save up and get my kisgendered doll! I'll have to get Them 2 bodies so I can exchange pieces, but I'm very excited.

Nice little joke about the eraser food. Love it!!

 

I don't care one way or the other, but honestly I don't really see the point of a boy doll having a girl body. Okay, so the owner wants shorter legs and more slender lines, it isn't like there aren't a ton of options out there for boy bodies. I've seen a number of them. I can understand about not having the money to switch bodies or money/skill to mod them from one to the other, but to deliberately have a boy doll with tits just strikes me as odd. If you want boobs and the doll to wear dresses, why not just make him a girl doll and have done with it? But whatever. Their doll, they can do what they want with it.

Honestly, though, I have bigger issues with the owner of a boy/girl doll getting offended when someone sees their "boy" and compliments on what a pretty girl they have. Um ... their doll has obvious tits and a dress. What the hell can they expect people to think? Sheesh.

As for those throwing around ugly words like "transphobic" and "racist" (a few pages back) against those who honestly express their opinions against male dolls with boobs, shut up.

Perhaps you can be accused of being "heterophobic" and "racist" yourselves, for getting so offended by those opinions, which people are allowed to have just as you are allowed to have yours. I get fed up with that sort of reaction and the immediate finger-pointing when people don't agree with the "minority" groups. It's bullshit. I don't particularly like male dolls with boobs, or female dolls with dicks. I don't particularly dislike them either, I just don't see the point of them. That does not make me or anyone else bigoted against transgenders.

People can go ahead and accuse me of being racist, which is utterly ridiculous, but if my opinion about a lump of non-living resin offends anyone that much, I'd have to say they seem to be very insecure with their own sexual nature. Just sayin'.

 

Stormlight, I hope you don't consider me as someone thowing that around.

I am trans, and I spoke about my biological sister, who really is a bigot. She refused to have me over at Christmas, even.

just making sure you and everyone understands. I can spot bigotry when it happens, and I haven't personally considered any recent posts hateful at all. Debate-full, yes.

 

Firstly, the person who has since deleted their posts was actually criticising trans people, and applying the same standards to real live humans as to dolls. Also, you may want to read this and this, which begins to cover why telling trans* and other marginalised people that they're being hostile/overmotional with no good reason is a bad thing. And remember - heterophobia isn't an ingrained problem at all levels of society (Nobody was ever driven to kill themselves by their teachers and peers for being straight), so it's unfair to directly correlate it to homophobia (And how did we get onto this? We were talking about transphobia, for which the appropriate counterpart would be cisphobia, which again, isn't a systemic problem). And finally, telling trans people that they should be more secure in their "sexual natures", whilst actively supporting the structures which MAKE people with trans* histories insecure (namely, being "fed up" when people with trans* histories explain what makes them feel uncomfortable or unsafe about majority spaces) is mindbogglingly callous.

Anyway, sorry for airing all of this on a public forum. If you'd like to, we can go to PM and stop making a mess of an otherwise very sensible thread.

 

She wasn't expressing her problems with male dolls with boobs, though. (Did you actually read the post before she back-pedalled and deleted it?) She was expressing her dislike of transpeople by comparing them to people who wear yellow clothes, as if that makes any sense at all. It was a very distasteful post. I've found, since discovering the "ignore user" option, that I'm having to use it more and more lately.

And as to your inability to see "the point" of trans dolls, or as you so elegantly put it "male dolls with boobs and female dolls with dicks"- well, I find that baffling. In that case, what's the point in ANY doll? If the character the doll embodies has a transgendered (I hope that's the right term) body, then that is reason enough for the doll to have one too. Or it could simply be that the owner enjoys the androgynous aesthetics of a transgendered body, and if that's the case, then there's plenty of "point" to having one. I don't know if you've seen the hermaphrodite El that's been mentioned here, but she is absolutely beautiful and I can well understand the reasoning behind her creation.

I have a hermaphrodite doll in the works myself, who has breasts and penis, and I have plenty of reasons why I'm making him this way; the majority are based on the occult and mysticism, which are too complicated to explain here, but certainly my love for the androgynous factors in there as well. It is not because I can't afford a body of either gender or lack the skill to mod- in fact, it's MORE expensive and difficult to make his body this way. He is a "yin-and-yang" sort of creature, with an equal amount of both genders in his body. I wouldn't get offended by someone who assumed, by looking at his breasts, that he was a female. That's a fairly natural reaction. I WOULD get offended by someone telling me that his trans body was "pointless" and "odd" even after I'd taken the time to explain my reasons for why I'd created him this way. Actually, I wouldn't get too offended- I'd just write them off as a moron and get on with it. If I was feeling kind, I might pity them a bit.

I completely agree with Ratty, who has hit the nail on the head with his/her response. I would only add that you don't have the right to say "shut up" to anyone who speaks out against transphobia (or anyone who speaks out against anything at all, for that matter). It's that kind of reaction that has made life so difficult for so many trans people, and has allowed heteronormative bullying to continue for so long.

 

I think they has been some mix-up about preference and political correctness.

You (general you) are allowed to be personally/visually/romantically/sexually attracted - or not be attracted - to people with certain attributes. This is about preference.

You (general you) don't say "I don't like ......(insert minority name)" in public. Like/dislike can be prone to interpretation in a political way, and not be simply about personal/visual/romantic/sexual attraction. This is about political correctness.

Now if you (general you) were to say: "Personally I am not attracted to ........(insert minority name), but I think they are completely okay and would not treat them any differenty than non-.........(insert minority name)", you would be able to both state your preference and stay politically correct. LOL!

You know, it is like: "I am into brunettes (but that doesn't mean I think blondes are not human)", or "I only fall in love with women (simply because I am not gay)", or "I think people who speak with a spanish accent are attractive (because I happen to have a fetish for accents)" then. Sounds more okay, somehow.

=>back on topic:

If the doll in question is meant to represent a transgendered individual: I don't have a simple opinion about people who are transgendered - in my opinion it is, on one hand, a social, and not only personal phenomenon, but on the other hand, it is a topic that is somewhat personal to me. So I don't want to go into the "rights and wrongs" of the transgender phenomenon here. Let's keep it simple: I do think that transgendered persons can be attractive/beautiful (depends on the person, of course), so I would say a doll depicting such an individual in a respectful way can be aesthetically pleasing for my eyes.

If the boy doll has a girl body out of completely random reasons (like not enough money to buy a new boy body right now or something like that): well... I think it is no worse than having floating heads... And I do have a girl who is on a boy body now because a boy is borrowing her girl body because his own body in turn is borrowed by another boy who would otherwise be a floating head...

If the boy doll has a girl body because it the features of this body are appealing to the owner, and they can still perceive it as male - why not? In this case though, the doll owner will have to put up with a lot of misunderstanding due to our society being heteronormative and divided into defined (and actually artificially created) genders.

 

It isn't weird, It's weird only to whom doesn't understand the situation.

Just as a real human being being Transexual, Looked down apon for it's lack of understanding to
whom doesn't have the choice in mind to consider, or understand the situation.

No matter what the dolls are "meant" to resemble, It is up to anyone to have it look the way they
want after the doll is purchased, Even if that means smashing it to pieces.

I don't mind what so ever if a doll is Herm or Transexual, or stereotypically "Beautiful",
Everyone has their own way of interest and will express it how they want to on their BJDs,
If someone needs to be loud about it and discriminate the interest of someone else,
They may have too much time to worry about things that don't involve them directly or even remotely.

 

No it doesn't bother me at all. If that is what the owner likes then that is what they like. So many people, so many different tastes.
I wouldn't want one, but if I knew someone with a doll like that, I wouldn't judge them for it. I would love to see it and hear their story about it.

 

Thank you, Harlequin and Ratty! Eloquently stated. People don't understand until they've been there, and I get that, but there's no reason to go out of one's way to say something hurtful to another person just because you don't understand something. We GLBTers deal with this on a daily basis and we hardly need additional reminders of the world's prejudice and ignorance.

I'm going to be pulling a lot of overtime at work for the next several months so I will finally be able to put together my MtF trans doll. I decided on red for her hair and I've been looking at pictures of makeup models online to try and figure out what colors to have her face painted up in. I can't wait to name her! Whenever I write fictional stories containing MtF characters, I tend to give them unisex names, like Ashley, Jackie, Lindsay, Kelly, or Andy. But this time I think I want something super feminine and elegant, the kind of name you don't hear that often these days, like Jezebel or Lisette or Annalise. Or maybe Saralinda. That's the name of the princess in one of my favorite books, James Thurber's The 13 Clocks.

 

I really don't care one way or the other what body a doll is on - if the owner says it's a boy, it's a boy. Even my muscled man dolls get mistaken by outsiders for females sometimes, so I don't see what difference a little extra androgyny makes.

 

No, many want boys with a tinier, girlier body, and some girl bodies have little to no breasts and narrow hips to make it work.
I myself have little of this problem. I have a dude who is tall and lean and I want a smaller, skinnier boy than him. But the body on the doll I want is as tall and even bigger than the one I have, and I don't want that, because it will bother me when they are next to each other
Therefore I'm considering getting him a girl body with a very flat chest or a body if I don't find a shorter, slimmer body for his head that matches his resin and stuff.

People do what they have to to make their dolls just as they have imagine and to make them fit into their characters.

 

Interesting debate going on.
I honestly do not find male dolls with breasts aesthetically pleasing. It's just personal taste.
I actually have a doll on order who will be on a male body, modded to be a female with a double mastectomy. Sometimes I think our dolls can be projections of how we idolize the human body. And my ideal body is a female one, without breasts.

 

Nope. This just doesn't even register on a scale of things that bother me. It's a big world out there and I certainly have things that annoy me but this just isn't one of them.

BJDs are beautiful pieces of art- a three dimensional canvas for people to create personal dreams upon. It's a really beautiful process and I'd be hard pressed to find any aspect of it that "bothered" me.

Variety is the spice of life.

 

I don't think it, technically, could be considered a male. I am perfectly fine with transgender/crossdressing/filing and sanding away bits, or even calling a female/male doll by a pronoun intended for the opposite sex. But if I were to rationalize this I would argue about the meaning of the word 'female' and 'male', as both words are clearly defined.

If it has breast, if it has a vagina, it is a female- the dolls represents the form of a human being that bears children, and the word we use to define this figure, or representation, is FEMALE. It cannot be re-defined. We may, however, state that the doll takes on the persona of a male, or is a "male in a female's body". The image of the body cannot, nor will it ever, be defined "male" unless there is sculptey, apoxy and sandpaper involved :3

 

Define guy doll

I would be completely okay with having a "guy doll" with a female body if he was a FTM transsexual. I know a couple of transsexuals, and I do think of the FTMs as males and the MTFs as female, even though their body reasons otherwise. For me, the gender depends on what gender you define yourself as, not the body.

What I can't exactly understand is why people would have a non FTM doll on a female body. I don't have any problems with it, it's their doll and they do what they want with it, but I myself wouldn't have a doll like that and I might have a hard time thinking of that doll as a boy in both "body and soul", and rather see it as an FTM or maybe even just a girl. That is, if the breasts are clearly visible. Judging from the title of the thread, I would think that that's what the person who created it was thinking of.
However, if the breasts were sanded down or just the size of the breasts of an SD10-body, then it probably wouldn't be noticeable and the body could just as well (if the doll was clothed) pass for a guy body, and then it's a different matter entirely.
Also, if the guy head was just temporarily sharing the body of a girl doll, because the owner was in wait of the funds for a guy body, or similar, then it's also a different matter entirely.

 

Male doll with breast don't bother me at all. I don't like boobies on myself in real life but I have come to love them on dolls both male and female. I have a Male Doll a EL and he is on a AOD female body. I did not want to have to a ton of work to male brest on a male body so he is pretty much genderless but with breast. I love drag queens too and I support those that want to transgender. I think thought when it comes down to it. Its your doll you can do what ever you want to with it and really other people thoughts should not matter. You enjoy it the way they are so that is what counts.

 

I think that I might be a little put off-guard at first if I saw one, but I think that people can do what they want with their dolls. Really good characters can come out of anything, so I let people follow their own creativity. I may not switch genders and bodies, but I all for other people doing it

 

It doesnt really bother me, it just makes me intruiged..and makes me wonder why the owner made it that way. i like twisted different dolls, and their stories...and I hate when lots of dolls look exactly the same, so a little touch of unusual is excellent in my eyes! But i wouldnt combine those two on my own dolls, something with order I guess. "rights" supposed to be right xP