Transgender/intergender dolls?

I have a couple dolls with different gender identities. One of them is biologically male, but he is not masculine at all (lacks male hormones, so I guess that makes him intersex). People often think he is a girl, so he just lets them think that. As a result, he's pretty gender fluid. He has a feminine body type, so currently he's on a flat-chested female body. I'm sort of hoping to get him a male chest in the future, and at least see if that works better for him.

Another doll of mine was supposed to be male, but has ended up on a female body. It's the body he came with, it suits him well and poses very nicely... it's the best option I've got for him, but it's hard to use male pronouns when he looks like a girl, has breasts, and dresses effeminately I'm waiting for the company he's from to release a flat chest option for him too. Then he can keep his pretty body, but without the boobs. The character isn't supposed to be transgender, but it kinda seems like he's a transman or something simply because of the body he's on.

 

eleniel I hadn't seen those threads or searched for them - to me my dolls are just dolls rather than real characters with gender identity or sexuality (which also have nothing to do with each other) - my dolls don't really have a preference either way of course, but I do find it strange when people want to simply swap one set of stereotypical clothes/behaviours for another - All stereotypes are oppressive and limiting, so I would like to think that dolls (and people) can be individuals, with their gender (by birth or assumed) an irrelevance to their style or behaviour.

 

I do! I have a gender queer boy, Salem, he's a dream or doll Luke and he's probably borderline female to male transgender but, yeah I love him, he's my handsome, awesome little mod project and my grail doll. Salem is a character from a series of stories that I have written/am writing.

 

dancing skeleton: Yes, I especially fall into pronoun use issues when talking to people about my dolls or characters. It's easy to use the correct pronoun in my head, but not when I'm talking to my sister who doesn't get that sort of thing and just sees a pretty girl doll. Since you ask, here's my gender fluid boy, Suna

Suna by Yukamina, on Flickr

 

Funny thing, I hardly ever think about the gender topic as such, neither with people nor with dolls (I know a few trans* people (both mtf and ftm) and I'm one of the few who doesn't give a rat's behind about physical appearance vs actual gender). Maybe my Katie counts as genderfluid - she dresses pretty boyish most of the time, denims and hoodies and stuff. For concerts (she's a violin student) she goes a little more "girly-pretty".
I don't have any trans* dolls, nor am I currently planning any. I guess I'm on the fluid side myself so hey, whatever floats your boat

edit, this is her (the only decent pic I have of her in her typical clothes on her current body):

 

dancing skeleton: I don't believe I have any pictures of Leander anymore, and I know I don't of Blue (he was off topic anyway), but here is what Sixx looked like:

 

dancing skeleton - I haven't gotten a lot of pictures of him yet, since he hasn't got a face-up or the mod I want for him, but I did get a simple picture of his face.

 

...Just throwing in my support as a trans BJD lover for those of you who create characters like this. I appreciate the consideration that people give to the subject/concept. There are all flavors of trans-folk, I guess, and I'd like to point out that. As well as... that it's totally okay that people want to make up a character like this, and I feel kind of bad hearing people worried they are going to offend. (even if it's a real concern, and yeah, some people worry a whole lot about accurate portrayal and will be irked by inaccurate portrayals or something that shows the subject in any certain 'light'.) Well.... I think it's awesome that you're fleshing out a thoughtful character that came from the heart, and a character who has an interesting (and possibly quite emotional and personal) story to be told. I'm not from the school of thought where 'those who haven't been through it could never understand'... I believe people in general have potentially a whole lot of compassion, ability to empathize and can be intuitive and understanding. And heck, if you write something about your transgender or intergender character and your writing ends up speaking to someone who really is moved by it, or like.. just hearing you talk about it makes them feel they aren't alone, that's just great. DO make your trans characters and enjoy them. ...also, I really personally do not care if the central idea of a character is them being trans or whatever. I don't think its 'not a good enough reason' to make up a character... and while yeah, you might see it as more of a 'starting point' or realistically, you might say, it 'should' be just one of many aspects of who that character is... Yeah, I appreciate when someone works hard to make a realistic character and be fair in their portrayal, but honestly, sometimes people just make things up to have fun/express something or they want to mull over the concept or whatever... my sentiment is "so what?". I don't find that offensive. I've made up characters on a whim especially for role playing purposes whose character revolved around a much, much smaller concept than the idea of being trans, and the whole.. psychology of the character just completely not really thought out or anything... like when you make an NPC in role-play or like tabletop games to demonstrate something or to fill a specific role... nobody ever asks, you know, why didn't the writers of this fantasy action video game give the minor character running the item shop a childhood!? I'm saying... I have no reason to give people the heat because they want a character to be trans. Obviously, if they're using that doll/character to try and spread stigma and loathing and cause headaches for transfolk, sure, that's worth getting mad over, but I appreciate that people are bothering with the subject to begin with, cause heaven knows, I've thrown my hands up in the air. As a FTM, ("gay" FTM... I use quotation marks for my own reasons... using quotations to refer to a FTM as gay is not what you should do. I'm quirky, and relatively confusing, and I'm kind of not sorry about it either.) the subject of trans-awareness, acceptance... umm.. just the subject of what the 'general stereotype' is... worrying about portrayal... that whole... big.... subject gives me a huge headache. There are so many people with their different ideas about how gender identity, intersexed, LBGT all that stuff is supposed to be portrayed. The more you know about the subject, the more you----- and I think some fellow 'LGBT' folks would laugh and nod,--- realize, sometimes you can't even please the LGBT people, let alone the rest of the world! If you want to go ahead and try and portray something in a positive light, and make the world approve, that's fine, but realise, you've got people on the inside who will still disagree. People disagree over many things surrounding Transsexuals and relevant subjects. Like I said, you might not get the approval of every single person under that LGBT umbrella.. Sometimes, you're lucky if you can even get the L! ...at some point, you've got to just do what makes you happy. Regardless of the big, raging, opinionated world... And perhaps, that sentiment right there is very much in the spirit of 'transgender pride' after all.

Ah, I had a YOSD who, in my head, was going to be a male... then she got here, and I slowly decided had NO gender... Now she has been passed on to my good friend, who decided she was female. Not sure if that counts, but the character I imagined was definitely between genders. She's shaped like a fantasy creature which makes it all a bit umm.. questionable I guess, since it's not the idea of a human being who considers themselves in-between genders.. it's the idea of a fantasy dragon who appears to be more masculine than not but definitely feels and is physically neither... with am impish little feminine personality on the side. Eh, even I can't say if or not that "counts"? The doll is a female now in her new home, though, and my friend's imagination has created a new character for that doll... I felt that I wasn't going anywhere with that character, that it was a mistake to make up a character after buying the doll, and that it's more my thing to 'shell' a character I've already come to know and love. Plus, I just knew the doll would be better loved in her new home where she's spoiled now.

 

I have a ftm doll I am currently working on, Akira; I plan on buying him a female body because he is supposed to be in early stages of transitioning. Right now he's currently borrowing my Jun Tachibana's body because I wanted to test how the proportions would work out.

Aki's boyfriend is gender fluid, though he tends to present male.

 

I have way in the future plans to customize an ftm trans* doll, but it'll be a while before that happens. His name is Jason, and I've got a mostly complete personality and backstory in my head for him but, well, moneyyyy. XD It's really cool that I'm not the only one interested in doing this, though. I never thought I'd find a thread about the topic.

 

dancing skeleton: I will definitely post many pictures of him when the day eventually comes. The more I think about him the more I think I'd like to bump him up a little higher on my wishlist. [Not that it has any effect on my funds XD] But good luck with your purchases dude! I'm sure you'll make it work out somehow.

 

dancing skeleton: I didn't have any of them together (or Aki at all) yet, so I took some for you

I want to get Yamato some more feminine clothes eventually, but I pretty much fail at making that sort of thing >___>; And he's not really a gothic lolita type (e.g. what bjd clothing made for cross dressing generally caters toward). And I also need to redo Aki's faceup. He inherited his head from another of my dolls and it still has the old faceup ^^;--but here they are as of now:



(Yamato is the one with pink hair . . . )


And here is Aki by himself, in case you were interested in how the Jun's SDGr body works for him. He's got a bit of gauze wrapped around the chest under the loose shirt:



(Ignore Yasuo in the background, he's not relevant to this thread XD)

And from the side:



The body I'm planning on from him has a similar chest size, as well as I can judge from photos. So this was a good test for him

 

My LLoyd is now a girl... I just could not see "him" as a boy at all. But the first thing people say when they pick her up is "she has a penis!" I guess cause when you pick up a YOSD you kind of put your thumb on the lower waist.. At least that's how I do it

 

Aww! I love seeing everyone's photos!