Transgender/intergender dolls?

I don't technically own him yet, but I'm in the process of ordering a doll for my intersex genderfluid character. It's been a challenge finding the right body type (which is, structurally, a very thin male) to fit the right head (which is female).

 

Only one of my dolls is cisgender (male) the others are Agender and I have one transgender boy.

 

I am planning to crossdress my boy in the future (evil smile), it is just like how anime chrarcters do~~ Dressing a girl as tomboy is also very cute too~~ But I don't think I will make them "transgender"? I guess? I am not too sure but I definitely don't mind manly girls or girly boys xD

 

My girl Albatross is mtf. She lives in a fantasy world though, and her culture looks at gender in a much more fluid way than, say, the West. So she isn't quite transgender in the Western sense, if that makes sense. It has a different context in her culture, and there's a lot less stigma involved. Personally, I get really frustrated that so many fantasy stories come up with elaborate worlds and cultures but can't seem to step out of "queer is bad in gender or sexuality! and women and poc are bad too!" you know? I read fantasy books for escapism, so it annoys me that me and my friends are persecuted in these make believe worlds just the same as our world. Like, come on! XD So that was my goal with Albatross. I'm cis for clarification (queer in other ways lol), but I haven't written many trans or genderqueer characters before and I figured "that's my cisness talkin!" so I would give it a shot. She's the queen of a troupe of rouges and goes on epic adventures. This thread has been really nice and eye-opening

 

My Mika is bigender. Zie's female-bodied and presents mostly masculine -- hir feminine side is also pretty much a tomboy, if that makes sense (though zie binds hir breasts when zie's feeling mostly male and doesn't when zie's feeling mostly female). Mika is mostly seen by hir friends as 'one of the guys', though that might start to cause some confusion now that zie's pregnant.
Here's Mika feeling mostly female:

 

My Miyu is nonbinary :3c They wear cutesy clothes that would be considered "girly", but they have a male body.

 

Although I don't have any transgender/intergender/etc dolls, I've been thinking about maybe shelling an agender character. c: I like breaking gender stereotypes heh heh heh~ *evil grin*
Although this would really mean a more masculine looking girl sculpt or a more feminine boy sculpt who wears male and/or female clothes as far as purchasing goes. xD

 

Never considered it, but I'm completely open to the option. If I saw an affordable doll with parts from both genders that I liked, I'd definitely consider getting it. I'm not interested in the genderless ones. I'd rather have both gender than no gender at all.

 

*raises hand*

My soon-to-be beloved Paprika is intended to be trans (MtF) as is the character she represents. Took a great deal of time to settle on a sculpt that suited both her personality and post-transition life. Turns out a Feeple65 Chloe did the trick; highly feminine with a subtle androgynous undertone to back her history. :3

 

Issac my dc kid/ seorin. Is trans male .He has the female kid body. but I make sure he looks more male yet still in the fragile stage. I decided to make him this way because I have two friends who are transgender, one I knew before the change and one I met after they took a new identity. The journey with each of them has been really impactful on me and I want to enshrine some of that into my collection. You'd never know the doll was female unless you took off its pants or had a keen eye for doll chateau. In this way my doll Isaac is truly trans. I refer to him in his correct pronouns and always refer to him as a boy. Because he IS a boy despite not having the correct parts.

Everyone can do what they like with their dolls. However, just dressing a boy as a girl or vice versa isn't always trans. Since trans is a way of being and not so much an outward appearance thing. Trans people are the gender they say they are and nothing else. It's not the same as cross dressing, drag, and crossplay. (Although some trans people also participate in these) I think sometimes in the doll community these terms are overlapped and used to all mean the same thing, and that isn't necessarily respectful to actual trans people. You probably wouldn't know a doll is trans just by looking at it. Just as one often can't tell with real people. Honestly the only way you'd usually know a doll was trans is if the owner gave out the information like [MENTION=11723]ChristinasDream[/MENTION] did.

I think many discussions of this nature are actually referring to things that are not trans. Such as cross dress. I think it's wonderful to talk about these things and make dolls who like that. But it's good to know exactly what you are talking about and to use the correct terms. That way we as a community are not perpetuating misinformation.

 

Unfortunately most people don't really 'get' trans issues. The situation is getting better these days, but we still have long way to go before more people understand it better, it seems.

 

Well, my first doll has a boy body, but it actually doesn't have sculpted genitalia, so technically... yes? What's interesting is that I'm "upgrading" him to strung resin and the sculpt I thought suited him best ended up being a girl body. I'm planning to modify the torso and remove the breasts to make it more masculine, but I don't plan on sculpting the genitalia down there, so he'll be in the same situation as his last body, haha! My doll (his character) isn't meant to be transgendered, but I thought it was interesting that both of his bodies ended up that way.

 

My little Soom Yarn (Nadir) is completely gender-less as they are a character in my story who is an other-worldly entity. They don't reproduce per se, they just respawn after death.

I'm also planning a doll with a male lower half and a female upper half to kind of represent myself...

 

My migidoll Jina is gender-neutral but they use male pronouns. They are a very androgynous character, so I get to dress them in "girl" clothes or "boy" clothes depending on their "mood" I also have an OC named Mika who is FTM trans and I'm working on another unnamed OC who is biologically a male, is gender-fluid, and identifies as a female. That character is hard to describe, but it makes sense to me and to them

I myself am gender-fluid but primarily identify as a girl so I like my characters' backstories and gender identities to be just as complex as my own

 

My April Story Edward is a male sculpt, but he seems so much happier when he's mixing gendered clothes and trying on different wigs. When my sister asked about his gender, I just said "he doesn't really think of himself as a boy, but he's not a girl, either." I wouldn't call him gender fluid. Agender, maybe? Either way, he's just Ed, and he's happy that way.

 

I had a plan to get my transgender girl in doll form named Shelby (She goes by Shellie). She's a character of mine that I designed a long time ago.

She hasn't had any surgery or taken hormones in that picture there yet. The sad thing is the only doll i found that looked close to her was a Soom Super Gem girl and, well...they're rather busty. She's supposed to have a flat to small chest xD
I suppose I could try swapping things out in the future like some have suggested but I might just keep her busty and see how I like it. After all, if I do change her body in any way I'll have to scrap all the clothes i've recently bought her. Shellie should have no bottom surgery and small breasts from hormones I just feel like a boy bottom half wouldn't have quite the curves she's supposed to have and finding the right top to match her head would be even more difficult. I'm still fairly new to the hobby so I guess it's something I can think about over time. I may even consider working it into her story that she wanted larger breasts ahaha.
I'm excited to get her in (I ordered the doll for her off the market place) and to start working out her character in doll form. Maybe I'll eventually do modifications once I'm certain she's the doll for the job, so to speak. I'd hate to do any risky mods and then end up wanting to sell her in the future.
Once I get her in I might try to come back here and post some pictures up as well.
Sorry for my rambling...trying to become a little more active and social and it's hard for me xD;;

 

I am fascinated by the idea of a trans doll, and it's something I'd like to own if a concept or doll ended up working well within my collection, but as it is so far I have no outright trans dolls or plans for such. In particular, I think I'd want a trans doll without any 'surgery' done to it. I don't see or hear of too many trans dolls out there, but when I do, it seems most often they have post-surgery bodies, either by buying them that way or modding them that way. I know many trans people get or want surgery, and it is often 'the goal' many aim for. However, I also know many people don't for various reasons, and not only because they can't afford it, and that aspect of it kind of interests me more, at least in terms of dolls. I think I feel this way because to me, if I owned a trans doll it would feel weird to have the doll just be called trans but still in outward appearance look and dress like a cis person, since dolls to me are an ultimately visual/tactile experience. I think I also like the idea that trans people who can't or don't want to go through lots of expensive, invasive surgery can still be perfectly happy and comfortable living as their own gender in the body they were born, despite their hardships, or that even if they do wish for surgery in order to finally feel the best about themselves, that that lengthy time spent in their pre-op bodies can still be worthwhile in the meanwhile. Something like that.

Lastly, when framing it as a visual concept, it's more interesting and unique to me to consider how a trans character would choose to portray themselves to others through their dress, hair, etc. while working around their physical bodies and how the society around them would receive them. Do they want to mask their physical sex as much as possible, hide themselves, or try to be as masculine/feminine as possible, dress neutrally instead, or just dress in a way that they think is quite flattering and stylish to their own tastes? Are they very self-conscious about their bodies or do they hardly even give it a second thought, they have so much more important things on their mind? Do they have very supportive peers around them, or an oppressive environment, or are they the type of person where they would never let that matter enough to change the way they look and act?

I've created at least two characters who turned out trans for different story ideas, and the two couldn't have turned out more different in how they think of themselves and their peers, and thus how they choose to dress and act. I think they'd make really interesting doll projects, if I wasn't so focused on keeping a very small collection right now. An MTF is very ladylike and has super-feminine hobbies, but she's overall shy, self-conscious, and easily depressed, so she dresses very conservatively, with big dresses and long sleeves, to hide the 'unfeminine' parts of her body that she thinks are horrible. An FTM is dapper, a bit androgynous yet somehow mildly sexist, and puts himself so high on his own superiority pedestal that his sex is an oft-forgotten footnote; the result is a metrosexual fashion sense with an overall appearance that still manages a naturally masculine aura made by attitude, stance, and expression more than choice of clothes.


As for intergender or other variations, I don't even know if this counts, but I do have plans for two dolls in the near future that will likely be sexless. I say it may not count because these dolls wouldn't be human, or even technically living (or undead). My concept for my dolls was that they were set in a fantasy world where dolls themselves were actually animated to life and create their own culture and society. Being dolls, they have incredibly weak ties to notions like sex and gender and other biological-based issues; it is a much more superficial issue to them than to humans. However, they are just as mentally and emotionally complex as humans! In a way, dolls in this world that are deeply wedded to a male or female sex/gender identity may be rarer than intergender dolls. Aside from the two tinies who will have no sex or gender, I have two planned minis who are also rather androgynous; I'm not sure if they'd consider themselves outright intergender or borderline, but in any case, they have very weak ties to any gender identity. They refer to themselves as the sex that their doll bodies are sculpted as, despite preferring to crossdress, so whether they count as intergender or not, I couldn't say, haha. I love playing with this fantasy concept, as it's interesting to consider a society of people divorced from many of our human biological needs and biases, but still effected culturally by our values and perceptions regardless!

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I dunno, as a transgender myself I really hate seeing transgender dolls.
I know very well the suffering and depression we go through... And I wonder why the hell a poor doll needs it in her life.

 

The MSD I have coming in April is going to be a Genderfluid character. Angel/Lunniea is the avatar of an ancient Moon god who is half celestial half demon in heritage. When planning the character I took into account that in all historic depictions of Angels they are suposed to have no gender but most appear in art as women. So as a god my character had no gender but was referred to by male pronouns. The version of the character I bought my doll for is cursed into a human body but still retains their genderless traits. However they were labeled as male legaly dispite a fondness for womens clothing. Angel's blog page can be found here.

The doll I bought is a ResinSoul An boy. I went the boy route cause I didn't want a doll with breasts and the face was androgynous enough. Dressing them is gonna be a bit tough cause I wanna put them in modified Victorian/Edwardian garb so when making their clothes I might have to omit breast darts and the like. I'll keep a journal for Angel if you guys would like to keep up with their progress!

 

A while back I bought a Luts 2010 Winter Event Head for a male body I have. It didn't quite work. This particular doll head just cannot make up it's mind on which gender it wants to be. Right now the head is on a Bobobie female body and the head looks somewhat happier but still there's this strong undercurrent of "Am I a girl? Am I a boy? What exactly am I?" with this doll. When Mikki is on a girl body it seems better to me. Boy or girl there's definitely more of a femme thing going on. He's a very "pretty" boy, but I don't get the impression that just being a girl is 100% right either though the Luts head makes an excellent girl. I've never really had a doll that wasn't one or the other and I honestly did not plan on a dual gender doll at all. But if there is such a thing as dual gender this doll is it. Using "It" seems awkward and maybe a bit rude, but He/She seems weird to me too. This doll just doesn't seem to ID as either sex but as both? I don't know what to say. I kind of feel like a parent who's been told their child is intersex. I wanted to be supportive and get Him/Her on a body that will work, but no matter what I put this doll on it just never seems quite right. I don't quite know what to make of Mikki sometimes. He/She was a definite surprise. It's like there's a split personality thing going on...