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What if seller on MP refused to sell doll because of planned customization?

Jul 18, 2015

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    1. I would be wary of any seller who wanted to know my plans for the doll before selling it. However, if a potential buyer offers up the information without asking *and* mentions they'll be doing something with it that's highly contentious within the hobby, I might think twice about selling to that buyer. Of course I see both sides, and once you're selling it, it's not yours to worry about, and once you buy it, the former owner has no say. But members in this hobby also tend to overshare information, since it's common to discuss your plans for dolls, but I think that kind of thing doesn't really have a place in sales transactions.
       
      #41 thesaraghina, Jul 20, 2015
    2. If a MP seller refused to sell a doll to me because I was going to change its faceup or something, I'd think it was odd. I would also think they really shouldn't sell it if they were still THAT attached to it.

      Similarly, I have seen some dolls for sale that the owner has really regretted having to sell because the doll doesn't "fit in" with their character plans or existing doll family. But they place the doll at a prohibitively high price that is not the current market value of the doll. This also makes me think they don't really want to sell it deep down.

      Personally, I have never sold a doll I was attached to. That's why I sell them! I'm not feelin' the love. If I had to sell a doll I loved due to financial reasons, I would do as CloakedSchemer mentioned, and wipe its faceup so no trace of its "personality" to me still existed. I wouldn't wipe a default faceup, though, since one default fullset is just like any other (for most dolls, anyway). It would pretty much be "anonymous" once I sold it as a fullset.

      I wouldn't think so either. Although it does sound like from other posters that the resin doesn't seem to be permanently damaged if acrylic is applied under it.

      I can understand why you felt a little bad, BUT since the doll is beloved to you as it is now, that makes all the difference. It was precious to her then, and it is precious to you now. If a doll gets sold to someone who does experimental mods and carvings on it and ruins it, and they end up selling it off in pieces as a junk doll, that's what's really sad to me. Because it is has been destroyed as an entire doll and most likely was wasted, and will no longer be beloved to anyone.

      Linda S.
      galatia9
       
      #42 galatia9, Jul 21, 2015
    3. Don't get me wrong, I don't regret the mods I did/had done to him for the most part. The only "regret" is that the existing mods I had reversed were actually quite nice, and cute too, but they honestly didn't fit my vision and had to go.

      And I don't think a "junk" doll is forever "junk," either. One of the dolls who came to me last year is one who had experimental mods done to him, and arrived with me in the kind of condition one could certainly call "junk," as a result of the experiments done to him in the past. He was sent to me to be repaired and restored, and you wouldn't know from the pictures of him now that he was in that condition. I love following along with the project journals of other "junk" dolls who are restored and made into something that is once again beloved to someone. As long as there's someone out there who has the skill and desire to do something about it, no doll ever has to end up in that state.
       
      #43 vicemage, Jul 21, 2015
    4. The reason I didn't go to the company was because I didn't want to wait for the doll to be made. Plus I have to keep my costs down and shipping from overseas adds a lot of money to the project. I agree with everyone that the seller reserves the right to refuse to sell to another especially if no money has exchanged hands. The reason I mentioned my plans in the first place was because the seller said she would accept a best offer so I explained that I needed to keep my costs down because I wanted to try oil paints and wondered if she would accept a lower offer. I never anticipated that I would cause her distress over her doll with my plans. And in this case I think it's better that she didn't sell me the doll because I plan to add my efforts and results to a project journal.

      Anyhow, I've come up with a new idea for my test doll. I've pretty much decided to use my MSD size Doll Leaves body in normal, yellowed resin. It belongs to my Gabriel who I love so I'm not going to use the head. I know that her resin matches DZ normal yellow so eventually I'll get her a new body. Till then she'll be caught up in floater limbo.

      I really do hope that the doll turns out beautiful because I have a Dollzone Big Dipper that would look fantastic in oils.
       
      #44 Pony, Jul 21, 2015
    5. This situation would just frustrate the hell out of me tbh. I totally understand that the artist has the right to reject any buyers, but the reason seriously bugs me. I don't know why it would bother the owner. I understand that some owners are very attached to their dolls, but at the same time, if the doll was given to you, it would be YOUR doll and not theirs which means you could do whatever the hell you wanted to do with him/her. Personally, I'd be pretty bummed. But in the end, it is her doll still and she said no so no is a no.

      I really hope the oil pants go well. Do post pictures!
       
      #45 MadMisery, Jul 21, 2015
    6. I'm more bummed about not having a head to work on yet. I want to do the body and head at the same time so I'll be able to see how doing various face ups and removals will effect the underlying oil stain. The body will be my control.

      I seriously considered using Gabriel but her sculpt doesn't have the relief I want in the face.
       
      #46 Pony, Jul 21, 2015
    7. When you do start the project, I hope you link the journal. I'd like to see the project--all of its triumphs and tragedies. :) And Big Dipper is a beautiful doll!
       
      #47 Scholar, Jul 21, 2015
    8. Lol. Yeah. Well oil is a very expressive medium!

      I had no idea that Big Dipper had a rose on the back of his head until he arrived. He's screaming for paint!
       
      #48 Pony, Jul 21, 2015
    9. I had this exact thing happen to me. I inquired a year or two ago about buying a doll that had I think was fTm mods. I pm'd the seller asking if the mods were reversible and that I was interested in buying the doll anyway because it was pretty cheap for that doll. They pm'd me back in a nasty tone and told me "they didn't want their hard work being reversed and they wouldn't sell it to me". I was stumped because if they really thought they had "put hard work" into the doll why were they selling it?
      If I'm selling a doll I don't have any right to say what the buyer can and can't do to it, that's ridiculous. That would be like selling your house and telling the new owner what colours to paint it.

      once you sell a doll and pass it on its no longer yours, and if the buyer is paying the high prices that dolls go for they have every right to make it their own. Don't sell the doll if you have requirements for the buyer because it would seem they might still be too attached to it.
       
      #49 LadyDeath, Jul 23, 2015
    10. If two people were offering me the same amount of money, and I knew one person wanted to pretty up the doll as-is, and the other wanted to put her right under her car's tires and back her over.... I would want to sell to the person who would treat the doll nicely. I guess I'm sentimental like that. But realistically speaking, a piece of plastic doesn't care and its not my business what someone else does with it.

      I've sold a couple dolls that I was pretty attached to and really enjoyed before letting them go, and to be honest I wouldn't want to know if they were now chewed up or had hideous mods or something. However, if they WERE chewed up and hideous, but the new owners loved them, well I'd be just fine :).
       
      #50 koukles, Jul 31, 2015
    11. I doubt that I would refuse to sell a doll…unless I had a feeling the person was up to no good - like making copies of it. It would break my heart though if someone planned on significantly moding a doll that I had really loved for years; but if I'm selling the doll then I have to let it go. No questions asked.

      A little bit of me would want the doll to go to someone who REALLY wanted the doll verses someone who was just curious. For example; if I had 2 buyers and one person had always dreamed of owning the doll and the other was sort of interested for a possible character shell but not really sure…I'd give preference to the person who had always dreamed of owning the doll I'm selling.
       
      #51 mdonline03, Aug 1, 2015
    12. "The reason I want the oil to be permanent is to take away an orange cast in an original tan resin. "


      If it were me and I wanted to change the resin color of the entire doll, painting would not be my choice, I would dye the doll instead. I haven't tried it yet, but I have a doll which came with a body a different shade than the head, so I found a tutorial for using Rit dye to dye the entire doll. It sounds much easier than painting.


      I understand the issue the seller had. I sold a doll recently and I had to think long and hard about selling her. I loved her, but she just didn't fit with my doll family. I wanted to feel that she was going to a loving home, and was very happy that the buyer seemed like someone who would truly love the doll.
      So I would say, it's best not to announce to a seller if you plan some drastic changes to the doll. It might upset them more than they thought it would. So if you plan to do drastic changes to a doll, just don't say anything.
      I had some financial trouble a few years ago and had to sell my collection of vintage dishes. I had really loved those dishes and hated to part with them. If a buyer had told me that they planned to smash the dishes and turn them into an art project or something, I probably would have freaked and refused to sell them to that person. So I understand how the seller felt.
       
      #52 ParlourGoddess, Aug 24, 2015
    13. I've painted the head of Ju in oil and it turned out really cute! It has a woodsy feel to it that I like a lot. I'm going to start a project journal with all with the photos I took along the way. It's still a work in progress though. The only thing is that the oil didn't absorb as much as I wanted it to nor as permanently so dyeing might be a better option even though I love the color of the oil. One of the reason I wanted to try oil over dyeing is because I wanted to blend the body more rather than evenly cover it. For instance, the shoulders and outer arms are usually darker than the inside of the forearm. The same goes for the palms of the hand and soles of the feet. I'm intereted in capturing these subtle changes. You can see the lighter effect I'm after in the ears in the picture below.

      I've been letting the head dry for over a month to see if the paint becomes more permanent. It was very susceptible to scratches during its wet stage. I haven't used any sealer yet and haven't started to give her a face up. If I find that the color is super stable in the head after sealing I'll probably try to paint the body. But as of right now I'm using it for my DiM Gayanne since it's a perfect resin and proportion match for her.

      There has been absolutely no damage to the resin because of the oil paint and Gamsol mineral spirits as in melting resin. There is a very slight discoloration where I rubbed off some of the deeper oil paint in my tests that may or may not come off with a light sanding. I haven't tried to remove it and don't plan to

      So in my opinion, my Ju wasn't ruined in any way. She helped me gain a lot of insight into painting with oil on resin and the project will probably solve some myths about oil on resin. Btw, the oil is not shiny after a month since I only used mineral spirits to thin the paint.

      Here's a montage through the stages of painting. Her face isn't perfectly even as a true tan resin would be. But I prefer texture in my dolls face ups and especially so for my woodland elf so I don't find it objectionable. There will be others who will dislike the look and that's ok. I'm going to lightly sand some areas to remove some of the color as on the lips. I'm using a subtractive/additive process like I do with my paintings.

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      #53 Pony, Aug 28, 2015
    14. The only experiences I've had with sellers and future plans is one wishing me luck for whatever I wanted to do with Avalon when I bought him (and she was very happy he was getting a home) and I did send her pictures when I got him home to show he got home in one piece. Kazumi her body's owner also wanted pics of what I was going to do with her and I happily shared... Noah was the same way... Actually all three of my MSD's, their old owners wanted pictures of them once I had them settled into their new 'life'. I think if someone refused to sell me a doll because I would do something like let's say hybrid or get a new faceup I'd just roll my eyes and think something involving four letter words that would not be posted and move on.
       
      #54 Arashi Uchiha, Aug 28, 2015
    15. Wow Pony, that's a really unique look. In the last picture it almost looks like a finely carved piece of wood! It's a very lovely color. Are you going to do the full body as well? (
       
      #55 Scholar, Aug 28, 2015
    16. Now, I can see this argument going both ways.

      I mean, this isn't a living, breathing, feeling being we are talking about. This is a DOLL that has zero life in it. If you are planning to sell a dog, on the other hand, then yes please find out the intentions of the interested buyers, but a doll? Your intentions for this doll are not illegal in any way, so I don't know what this seller's deal is.
       
      #56 CelestialSnow, Aug 29, 2015
    17. Thank you, Scholar. That's what I thought too! So I was very happy with her look because I wanted her to be a wood nymph. I'm. Still debating about doing her body but first I want to try sealing the head several times and giving her a face up to see how fragile the paint is. I think it's going to be great fun to sew an outfit for her. A little leather loin cloth with fur trim and bone beads is playing around in my head. And she'd have to have her own quiver and bow with arrows with feather and bead adornments.

      Celestial Snow, there are so many creative people in BJDs that maybe we should just trust each other and look at selling a customizable doll as a new design challenge in the new owner's hands. I'd be happy to see what someone else does. But, I also just bought a gorgeous head from someone here on DoA that I have always loved because of the face up the seller had given her. I would not dream of ever removing it.
       
      #57 Pony, Aug 29, 2015
    18. Even if I knew I was modding a doll at the time of purchase (which I never have known), then I doubt I'd feel the need to tell them, unless we were already well acquainted.

      However, let's say a hypothetical seller could see the future, and refused to sell to me because of my customization plans. Sure, fine. I guess I'd be a little disappointed, but I think that if they're that protective of the doll, then they probably shouldn't be selling it to customizers anyway. Best for everyone.
       
      #58 somnifer, Aug 29, 2015
    19. If I were to sell a doll I'm assuming I care more about the money I'll get from it than what's gonna happen to it. If I hear something I don't like I'd probably just stick my fingers in my ears and go "lalala I can't hear you over the sound of your money~" or something. Just uh, not out loud.

      I might reconsider if they were to tell me they were gonna back an SUV over it for giggles or something though. I don't like senseless waste.
      Modifications/customizations/what have you? Moment I get paid it's not my concern. Have fun with it.
       
      #59 Temishi, Aug 29, 2015
    20. :XD:LOL! I got a really good laugh out of that.

      Anyways...Like others, I'm of the opinion that it's none of the sellers business what you plan to do to the doll. Of course there's nothing illegal about asking a buyer what their plans are for the item...it's just silly I think.
       
      #60 Ruva, Aug 29, 2015
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